Ham Salad Recipe
Buy a chunk of pressed ham (like chipped ham is cut from) and a piece of balogna then run it through a chopper. Usually I get a 1# piece of ham ( like the old Isaly's ham) and 1/2 # piece of Bologna ( inexpensive brand).
Next cut it into cubes and I just use a small food chopper to chop it fine.
Next mix the chopped meats with sweet relish about 2 tablespoons or to taste and add some mayo, just to mix enough to hold together. You should be able to taste the relish.
If you just want a smaller quantity then use about 1/2 # ham and 1/4 bologna adding relish and mayo to taste. It is easy, we grew up on it with our Mom and Grandma.
It is good on buns, bread or toast with lettuce, tomato and even swiss cheese if you like it. It is easy to make and once you get the taste you like the next time is easy to duplicate.
Hope you enjoy it I know we sure do.
Pastor Kitner
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Saturday, October 13, 2012
"Last Straw - Un Friend Me"
I have a Face Book page and have some posts that speak to the more conservative views at times. I posted one that was sent to me by another friend that spoke of a former Obama supporter that went to see the movie about the year 2016 after a second set of 4 years under Obama and speaks of his mindset etc. It is not written by me but by someone who has changed their mind. It is more or less a man's opinion after he saw the movie.
A relatively new FB friend has an opinion that is different than the one expressed and has asked me to unfriend him because it was a last straw for him. Intolerance of opinions that differ with our own opinion is something I am thinking about, because I see that it is growing. From a political side that cries about intolerance as it suits them without giving tolerance to others. In the marketplace of free speech shouldn't we be able to express our thoughts without being so closed of that we can't allow others to voice themselves too?
If your friendship is so shallow then you tend to be like the old saying "Birds of a feather flock together" to the exclusion of all others.
I don't think that kind of seperation allows people to understand the others that are not of there same "feather". I am truly saddened by what I see happening.
John 15:12 (KJV) 12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Pastor Kitner
A relatively new FB friend has an opinion that is different than the one expressed and has asked me to unfriend him because it was a last straw for him. Intolerance of opinions that differ with our own opinion is something I am thinking about, because I see that it is growing. From a political side that cries about intolerance as it suits them without giving tolerance to others. In the marketplace of free speech shouldn't we be able to express our thoughts without being so closed of that we can't allow others to voice themselves too?
If your friendship is so shallow then you tend to be like the old saying "Birds of a feather flock together" to the exclusion of all others.
I don't think that kind of seperation allows people to understand the others that are not of there same "feather". I am truly saddened by what I see happening.
John 15:12 (KJV) 12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Pastor Kitner
Friday, September 28, 2012
10 Things about Pastors
Here are ten things every pastor wishes the congregation knew but doesn’t know how to say: I borrowed these from Brenda, Elaine and Josh - 2nd Generation and Mike Wilkins
(1) Your pastor has feelings. No seriously, he really does! Dealing with troubled marriages, addictions, mean-spirited congregants, constant complaints, and troubled spiritual lives can really weigh heavy on a person. It’s no small thing for a pastor to get up in the pulpit on Sunday with a smile on his face after he’s just visited a young man in jail, been witness to parents letting their children know they are getting a divorce, or counseled with that man dealing with a pornography addiction. It can break the strongest person. And if you say hurtful things to the pastor, even if you think you are right, learn to say: “I’m sorry.” If you do have criticism, never do it publicly (a cowardly way), but go to him privately and season your speech with grace.
(2) Your pastor needs encouragement. Don’t expect a pastor to ask for it, just give it. If your pastor does something meaningful that you appreciate, don’t take it for granted, let him know how much it mean to you! Discouragement is real! It is discouraging to watch people “fall by the way-side” after you have spend days and maybe weeks or months investing in them as a pastor. Your pastor always gets discouraging calls; maybe you could give him an encouraging one (without asking anything of him). A few simple words of encouragement can do more good than many voices of discouragement.
(3) Your pastor is probably under-paid. (Just assume he is and its the church’s responsibility to provide for him and his family.) I know people think pastors ought to be paid minimum wage so they can “rely on the Lord.” The pastor does rely on the Lord, there’s no need for further ‘testing.’ Pastors, when considering their education level as well as the ordination process of some denominations, have a very rigorous process to undergo before being fully ordained! The level of support that most churces provide is not even comparable to the amount of time, resources, education, giftedness, etc that it takes to become a pastor. Many pastors struggle to even pay off their under graduate or graduate education with the financial support they receive while pastoring a church. That, along with family responsibilities, financial expectations to give to the local church in every special offering (above & beyond tithe), and other financial issues, places a huge burden on the pastoral family. How many people would complain about the pastor’s atire if he wore the same suit every Sunday or drove a ‘clunker’ while out visiting parishners? Yet, if we’re not careful, we hold financial expectations on our pastor that are unfair. In many cases, when pastors retire from ministry, they are left to live off a social security check or the retirement fund of their spouse (shame on us). If we do not honor God’s spokesperson to the local church; God will not honor the church.
(4) Your pastor is under constant spiritual attack. Yeah, they deal with temptation too. It’s kind of like this: If you were fighting in the revolutionary war and you had one shot at the army charging at you would you shoot (1) the hundreds of foot soldiers charging or (2) the man riding the horse with a big plume in his hat? You got it! The pastor is in a place of leadership and if a pastor falls morally it causes a lot of discouragement and damage to the kingdom. Of course the Devil is going to target your pastor… especially if he is leading with integrity and the anointing of the Holy Spirit! Pray for your pastor. He needs it. Who will stand in the gap for their pastor?
(5) Your pastor’s spouse has the hardest job in the church. I can’t leave this one out. The spouse is not technically a staff person of the local church. Problem is, “pastor’s wife” is its own position! Expectations are high for this non-paid position. Too many people believe the pastor’s spouse ought to be a wonderful pianist, the friendliest greeter, a proficient Sunday School teacher, a fashion icon, a model of humility, a compassionate counselor, and the list goes on and on. There are few things that are difficult for the pastor’s spouse: unfair expectations from the congregagtion, everything they say or do is under scrutiny, their kids have to behave and act better than everyone elses kids, they get no down time, if they were really transparent their mate might be out of a job, and so much more. Being a pastor’s spouse can be one of the most lonely roles in the church. They often cannot even afford to have friends in the church for fear of betrayal or gossip. Try to make things pleasant for your pastor’s spouse: let them know they are appreciated and do not make them the “back-up plan” for every ministry in the church. Protect your pastor’s spouse, because your pastor needs their spouse more than they need you.
(6) Not everything is the pastor’s fault. This is hard to believe, I know. The pastor is certainly an easy one to blame everything on because they are the visible leaders of the local church. Don’t point fingers at the pastor every time something goes wrong or someone in the church is mad about something. If his preaching isn’t up to par maybe its because he is spending too much time vacuuming the sanctuary. If he isn’t visiting enough maybe its because he’s too busy putting out the fires of discontent that you or others are starting. Do something to help cover for him! If more people need to be visited; visit them. If a Sunday School class needs to be taught; teach it. If no one will do the power point; volunteer. Step up and into a place that you can be part of the solution instead of the problem. Blaming someone else for the church’s lack of effectiveness does not work! (Blame did not solve anything for Adam & Eve either.)
(7) Your pastor wishes he was Superman, but he is lucky to pull off Clark Kent some days. There are some things he just won’t be good at… sorry. Not every sermon will be a home run (that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t listen to them). Generally, he won’t be strong in every single area of pastoral ministry. It doesn’t mean he is a failure, it means the church needs to function as a body instead of “paying the preacher to do it all.” If a good pastor is guilty of anything, it is trying to be good at everything and then failing at everything. When you see your pastor trying to take on one more thing, that is the time to be stubborn and demand that he not add another thing to his list (tell him to add it to yours). This may be a shock to some, but your pastor does not know everything… the problem occurs when people treat him like he does not know anything.
(8) Your pastor is on call 24/7; try to be sympathetic when it comes to his time. Be considerate. Do not call your pastor before 8am or after 9pm except in an emergency. Try to work out the small stuff on your own. Do not be a “tattle tail” either. If there is a serious moral short coming, sure, that needs to be dealt with. But your pastor probably does not even care that someone looked at you cross-eyed during the offeratory. If that teenager keeps talking during service you deal with it or get over it. You know that guy you keep complaining is dropping cigarette butts in the flower bed, the pastor is trying to lead him to Christ. One day you may need the pastor in a real emergency so do not be the person always crying wolf! (As a side note, I might add that an over whelming majority of what people think is major, is in fact minor. Get a life, get a job, get out of your little world and try to catch the big picture of what Jesus is doing in the world around you!) Your pastor really cares about you, probably, but do not take advantage of that fact.
(9) Quit being so sensitive about EVERYTHING! This is a hard truth to swallow, but your pastor is not sitting around all week thinking of ways to offend you in his sermon on Sunday (and if he is, you must be a huge problem in the church). Keep in mind that the church is a family so we sometimes have conflict. Conflict is not bad in and of itself, it is what we do in that conflict that matters. Try giving your pastor the benefit of the doubt. Do not take everything personally. That chip on your shoulder may be restraining your pastor from doing what he needs to do to see the church move forward. Who wants to be a stumbling block? The reality is, your pastor wants what is spiritually the best for you and the church.
(10) Don’t make your pastor stand alone. If your pastor has really been called of God there will be times he must make a stand for truth. When he does that, your responsibility is to be a supporter of biblical truth. Stand with him. Complainers, slanderers, gossips, and those causing division in the church are always vocal, why not be vocal about supporting your pastor if he is standing up for what is right? Too many people hide in the trenches and let the pastor lead the charge into the lines of immorality while they sit safely in their bunker silently “admiring” their martyr pastor and discussing who they can find for a new pastor when this one gets eaten alive on the battlefield fighting for truth. Your pastor will only be able to take so many bullets with everyone hiding behind him before he will have to leave your church… wounded. Then you’ll get a pastor who may or may not stand up for what is right and you will have a wake of unsolved moral issues in your church that you will expect the next pastor to deal with alone as well. Sometimes this is as simple as letting him know verbally that you support him standing for truth. (It is not ever about sides, but it is about whether your pastor is doing right!)
(1) Your pastor has feelings. No seriously, he really does! Dealing with troubled marriages, addictions, mean-spirited congregants, constant complaints, and troubled spiritual lives can really weigh heavy on a person. It’s no small thing for a pastor to get up in the pulpit on Sunday with a smile on his face after he’s just visited a young man in jail, been witness to parents letting their children know they are getting a divorce, or counseled with that man dealing with a pornography addiction. It can break the strongest person. And if you say hurtful things to the pastor, even if you think you are right, learn to say: “I’m sorry.” If you do have criticism, never do it publicly (a cowardly way), but go to him privately and season your speech with grace.
(2) Your pastor needs encouragement. Don’t expect a pastor to ask for it, just give it. If your pastor does something meaningful that you appreciate, don’t take it for granted, let him know how much it mean to you! Discouragement is real! It is discouraging to watch people “fall by the way-side” after you have spend days and maybe weeks or months investing in them as a pastor. Your pastor always gets discouraging calls; maybe you could give him an encouraging one (without asking anything of him). A few simple words of encouragement can do more good than many voices of discouragement.
(3) Your pastor is probably under-paid. (Just assume he is and its the church’s responsibility to provide for him and his family.) I know people think pastors ought to be paid minimum wage so they can “rely on the Lord.” The pastor does rely on the Lord, there’s no need for further ‘testing.’ Pastors, when considering their education level as well as the ordination process of some denominations, have a very rigorous process to undergo before being fully ordained! The level of support that most churces provide is not even comparable to the amount of time, resources, education, giftedness, etc that it takes to become a pastor. Many pastors struggle to even pay off their under graduate or graduate education with the financial support they receive while pastoring a church. That, along with family responsibilities, financial expectations to give to the local church in every special offering (above & beyond tithe), and other financial issues, places a huge burden on the pastoral family. How many people would complain about the pastor’s atire if he wore the same suit every Sunday or drove a ‘clunker’ while out visiting parishners? Yet, if we’re not careful, we hold financial expectations on our pastor that are unfair. In many cases, when pastors retire from ministry, they are left to live off a social security check or the retirement fund of their spouse (shame on us). If we do not honor God’s spokesperson to the local church; God will not honor the church.
(4) Your pastor is under constant spiritual attack. Yeah, they deal with temptation too. It’s kind of like this: If you were fighting in the revolutionary war and you had one shot at the army charging at you would you shoot (1) the hundreds of foot soldiers charging or (2) the man riding the horse with a big plume in his hat? You got it! The pastor is in a place of leadership and if a pastor falls morally it causes a lot of discouragement and damage to the kingdom. Of course the Devil is going to target your pastor… especially if he is leading with integrity and the anointing of the Holy Spirit! Pray for your pastor. He needs it. Who will stand in the gap for their pastor?
(5) Your pastor’s spouse has the hardest job in the church. I can’t leave this one out. The spouse is not technically a staff person of the local church. Problem is, “pastor’s wife” is its own position! Expectations are high for this non-paid position. Too many people believe the pastor’s spouse ought to be a wonderful pianist, the friendliest greeter, a proficient Sunday School teacher, a fashion icon, a model of humility, a compassionate counselor, and the list goes on and on. There are few things that are difficult for the pastor’s spouse: unfair expectations from the congregagtion, everything they say or do is under scrutiny, their kids have to behave and act better than everyone elses kids, they get no down time, if they were really transparent their mate might be out of a job, and so much more. Being a pastor’s spouse can be one of the most lonely roles in the church. They often cannot even afford to have friends in the church for fear of betrayal or gossip. Try to make things pleasant for your pastor’s spouse: let them know they are appreciated and do not make them the “back-up plan” for every ministry in the church. Protect your pastor’s spouse, because your pastor needs their spouse more than they need you.
(6) Not everything is the pastor’s fault. This is hard to believe, I know. The pastor is certainly an easy one to blame everything on because they are the visible leaders of the local church. Don’t point fingers at the pastor every time something goes wrong or someone in the church is mad about something. If his preaching isn’t up to par maybe its because he is spending too much time vacuuming the sanctuary. If he isn’t visiting enough maybe its because he’s too busy putting out the fires of discontent that you or others are starting. Do something to help cover for him! If more people need to be visited; visit them. If a Sunday School class needs to be taught; teach it. If no one will do the power point; volunteer. Step up and into a place that you can be part of the solution instead of the problem. Blaming someone else for the church’s lack of effectiveness does not work! (Blame did not solve anything for Adam & Eve either.)
(7) Your pastor wishes he was Superman, but he is lucky to pull off Clark Kent some days. There are some things he just won’t be good at… sorry. Not every sermon will be a home run (that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t listen to them). Generally, he won’t be strong in every single area of pastoral ministry. It doesn’t mean he is a failure, it means the church needs to function as a body instead of “paying the preacher to do it all.” If a good pastor is guilty of anything, it is trying to be good at everything and then failing at everything. When you see your pastor trying to take on one more thing, that is the time to be stubborn and demand that he not add another thing to his list (tell him to add it to yours). This may be a shock to some, but your pastor does not know everything… the problem occurs when people treat him like he does not know anything.
(8) Your pastor is on call 24/7; try to be sympathetic when it comes to his time. Be considerate. Do not call your pastor before 8am or after 9pm except in an emergency. Try to work out the small stuff on your own. Do not be a “tattle tail” either. If there is a serious moral short coming, sure, that needs to be dealt with. But your pastor probably does not even care that someone looked at you cross-eyed during the offeratory. If that teenager keeps talking during service you deal with it or get over it. You know that guy you keep complaining is dropping cigarette butts in the flower bed, the pastor is trying to lead him to Christ. One day you may need the pastor in a real emergency so do not be the person always crying wolf! (As a side note, I might add that an over whelming majority of what people think is major, is in fact minor. Get a life, get a job, get out of your little world and try to catch the big picture of what Jesus is doing in the world around you!) Your pastor really cares about you, probably, but do not take advantage of that fact.
(9) Quit being so sensitive about EVERYTHING! This is a hard truth to swallow, but your pastor is not sitting around all week thinking of ways to offend you in his sermon on Sunday (and if he is, you must be a huge problem in the church). Keep in mind that the church is a family so we sometimes have conflict. Conflict is not bad in and of itself, it is what we do in that conflict that matters. Try giving your pastor the benefit of the doubt. Do not take everything personally. That chip on your shoulder may be restraining your pastor from doing what he needs to do to see the church move forward. Who wants to be a stumbling block? The reality is, your pastor wants what is spiritually the best for you and the church.
(10) Don’t make your pastor stand alone. If your pastor has really been called of God there will be times he must make a stand for truth. When he does that, your responsibility is to be a supporter of biblical truth. Stand with him. Complainers, slanderers, gossips, and those causing division in the church are always vocal, why not be vocal about supporting your pastor if he is standing up for what is right? Too many people hide in the trenches and let the pastor lead the charge into the lines of immorality while they sit safely in their bunker silently “admiring” their martyr pastor and discussing who they can find for a new pastor when this one gets eaten alive on the battlefield fighting for truth. Your pastor will only be able to take so many bullets with everyone hiding behind him before he will have to leave your church… wounded. Then you’ll get a pastor who may or may not stand up for what is right and you will have a wake of unsolved moral issues in your church that you will expect the next pastor to deal with alone as well. Sometimes this is as simple as letting him know verbally that you support him standing for truth. (It is not ever about sides, but it is about whether your pastor is doing right!)
I might be able to add to this list later, but I hope this might give insight to some lay person on how they can better be a Aaron or Hur for their Moses (Exodus 17:10-13). And to any of my current or past congregation members who might think I am talking about them… you bet I am.
Brenda, Elaine & Josh
2nd Generation
Saturday, September 22, 2012
Tuesday, August 14, 2012
The Times We Live In
Romans 1:28 - 32 (NIV) 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
We live in days that look an awful lot like the above. I can not believe that men and women that should be intelligent, can't even think on a ninth grade level anymore. There is a moral, mental, emotional and reasoning lack in our society.
The church has defected as well on so many counts. In the acceptance of homosexual ministers, living together before marriage, conceiving out of wedlock, etc.. This is the social acceptance of immorality within the church. Just where is it all going?
The church model I see in the Bible doesn't look like the club settings of today's churches. The idea pushed upon society of the world system has sadly been embrased by the church. Nobody wants to take any responsibility for doing it right because of pressure from society.
I have some questions for everyone that names the name of Jesus as their saviour:
Are you ready for His soon return?
When is the last time you thought about it?
What are you doing with the knowledge that you have?
Who are you telling about the Lord?
WHY are you here - What's your purpose?
Enough for now - think about it!
Pastor Kitner
Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Trouble Ahead
Where there is no vision the people perish and where there is a conflict in the vision the people perish as well. The following are some good indicators of a church in trouble.
From Thom Rainer's article "10 Warning Signs for Churches" -
1. If the pastor does not have adequate time to be in the Word or if he chooses not to do so.
2. If the members are spending time arguing about how money should be spent.
3. If none or only a few of the key leaders are actively sharing their faith.
4. If there is no clear process of discipleship in place, just a plethora of programs and activities.
5. If corporate prayer is not a major emphasis in the church.
6. If church members are arguing about worship style or worship times.
7. If church members expect the paid staff to do most of the ministry, instead of the staff equipping the members to do the work of ministry (“Why didn’t he visit me in the hospital?”)
8. If there are ongoing disagreements about matters of the church facilities.
9. If the church has more meetings than new disciples.
10. If the leadership of the church does not have a coherent plan for what is taught in small groups and Sunday school classes.
Read the complete article here - http://bit.ly/lulIPJ
Blessings on Ya!
Pastor Kitner
From Thom Rainer's article "10 Warning Signs for Churches" -
1. If the pastor does not have adequate time to be in the Word or if he chooses not to do so.
2. If the members are spending time arguing about how money should be spent.
3. If none or only a few of the key leaders are actively sharing their faith.
4. If there is no clear process of discipleship in place, just a plethora of programs and activities.
5. If corporate prayer is not a major emphasis in the church.
6. If church members are arguing about worship style or worship times.
7. If church members expect the paid staff to do most of the ministry, instead of the staff equipping the members to do the work of ministry (“Why didn’t he visit me in the hospital?”)
8. If there are ongoing disagreements about matters of the church facilities.
9. If the church has more meetings than new disciples.
10. If the leadership of the church does not have a coherent plan for what is taught in small groups and Sunday school classes.
Read the complete article here - http://bit.ly/lulIPJ
Blessings on Ya!
Pastor Kitner
Saturday, June 2, 2012
Prayer Needs
What are Your Most Pressing Prayer Need?
What are your most pressing prayer needs/concerns that you have today? Write them down. Prayerfully find some scripture that you will use to pray for each of these needs.
Just a simple prayer guide for you to use.
Who is the person or persons that you want to see saved?
1. Family
2. Friend
3. other
List your own personal most pressing prayer needs/wants.
1. Spiritual need
2. Physical need
3. Emotional need
4. Mental need
5.Financial need
6. Job need
7. Marriage need
What do you see as the most pressing need the church you attend has?
How will you pray for this need?
Make yourself a list and if you want us to pray with you about something please send and e-mail to sonforu@verizon.net or charles.kitner@facebook.com
Blessings to You
Pastor Charles Kitner
What are your most pressing prayer needs/concerns that you have today? Write them down. Prayerfully find some scripture that you will use to pray for each of these needs.
Just a simple prayer guide for you to use.
Who is the person or persons that you want to see saved?
1. Family
2. Friend
3. other
List your own personal most pressing prayer needs/wants.
1. Spiritual need
2. Physical need
3. Emotional need
4. Mental need
5.Financial need
6. Job need
7. Marriage need
What do you see as the most pressing need the church you attend has?
How will you pray for this need?
Make yourself a list and if you want us to pray with you about something please send and e-mail to sonforu@verizon.net or charles.kitner@facebook.com
Blessings to You
Pastor Charles Kitner
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